Interview by Nick Ruskell with Kevin Burges, bassist from
Marshan 24th March 2002, Camden Barfly, after gig with Sea of Green and Tree.
Transcribed by Emily Ebdon
Kevin: Are you allowed to drink outside here?
Kevin: There’s a police van behind us so…
Nick: Hm? Oh shite, whoops
Kevin: (laughs) Certainly where I’m from you’re
not allowed to drink on the streets so…
Kevin: Hide behind the van
Nick: (laughs) is this your van?
Kevin: Well, I say our van- it’s hired but
Nick: Yeah. So are you sleeping or do you sleep in…
Kevin: So far yeah we have. There’s 7 of us, we don’t
all sleep in it, uh last night there was just 2 of us in it, the first night,
before we picked up Sea of Green all 4 of Marshan were in there. It’s actually
not bad, its not bad.
Nick: It sounds like a laugh, I wanna… I wanna do
something like that, like touring in a crap van…
Kevin: It’s good fun, good fun
Nick: ..with too many people in it
Kevin: About half an hour before we left to come
here we were phoned up by a guy from the record company to say could we
take Tree, the band who’re just starting just now, asking if we could take
them in the van as well- that’s like 11 people. That’d be 8 people in the
back (laughs)…we said no to that.
Nick: It just seems like a really cool idea, I was
gonna…I’m at college at the moment… I was gonna take a year out and like
do a band like properly, and drive around in a transit van…
Kevin: If you get a chance…do it, cos it’s really
Nick: I was thinking about it cos, my sister um…
she just finished at uni and she’s living just near the university where she
was. She hasn’t come and she’s got like a day job, working in a shop and she’s
just doing whatever. She’s just having a laugh, and not turning up to work and
stuff like that. Just having a laugh for a year
Nick: It sounds really cool
Kevin: It’s good fun, I mean when I left uni I
decided that I didn’t want to get a job, I just wanted to spend a bit of time
basically…well when I say doing nothing, doing lots for the band kinda thing,
y’know, but not having a proper job, but, I’ve got a job, I was offered
something really fucking cool by someone at uni, basically I work from home and
I really small hours and all that, so basically whenever I’m not doing stuff
for the band I can work, so it’s pretty cool.
Nick: I started a band last year at college, but
unfortunately we split up. But we did a couple of gigs- uh, it was a laugh.
Kevin: What sort of stuff did you play?
Nick: Pretty much the same sort of stuff as you
but, um a bit more like, pop, some of it, kind of, not like pop pop but.
Kevin: I know what you mean
Nick: Like big hooks and- sort of like The Cult. It
was cool, um yeah. But my new band, we’ve got a gig next month.
Kevin: What’s it called?
Nick: We haven’t really got a name at the moment,
I’ve only just joined. They sort of formed, and they needed a second
guitarist, and they asked me. And um… I don’t think they know what sort of
stuff I like. They do Bon Jovi and that sort of stuff, which is cool but its not
really the stuff- I’m sort of more...
Kevin: I know what you’re saying man, I know what
you’re saying. I wouldn’t want to do Bon Jovi stuff- that’d suck! Our
drummer’s a big fucking Bon Jovi fan
Nick: I’ve a bit of a reputation for being into
80s cheese with all my mates
Kevin: Ah, that’s cool…
Nick: Stuff like Poison and Motley Crue…
Kevin: Ahh, that sort of…our drummer like’s that,
I don’t like that kind, I like the 80’s kinda like pop cheese
Nick: Like the Police?
Kevin: But the rock stuff, but I’m not into 80s
rock stuff. I mean it’s good now and again. There’s a tape player in the
back of here on the way down here that was that kinda stuff like lots of…y’know
80s glam and all that, and was…good stuff, but I would never buy it, y’know,
it’s good to listen to
Nick: It’s my downfall if anything. I’ve got
loads of Poison like, picture disks, that sort of stuff. ‘Look What the Cat
Dragged in’ on picture disk
Kevin: You’d get on well with our drummer then, he’s
an 80’s freak as well
Nick: And also like 80’s films as well. Stuff
like ‘The Breakfast Club’, all that brat pack sort of stuff. It’s the one
with the kids, they all go to Saturday morning detention
Kevin: The reason something came into my brain when
you said that, somebody sent me, I do, well used to do a website for four years
or something, and somebody sent me a tape, I think it as just one guy, and he’d
laid down stuff on a computer or something, uh, and one of the songs on that was
kinda like a spoken story about something to do with ‘The Breakfast Club’
and it was like, some government testing thing where like, they’d gone into a
mental home or something and put drugs…experimental drugs into people’s milk
for their breakfast, and stuff like that. Fucking weird story man! Weird story-
and it’s true apparently
Nick: I’m doing some um… I got a load of stuff
written- recording it all on Thursday, like just me, playing all the
instruments, but um yeah, I’m doing it on Thursday. I’m starting at like
half past seven in the morning or something stupid like that. Setting up it all
by 8.00 hopefully and doing it all in one take just to get it all done. Then I’m
off to Fu Manchu in London.
Kevin: We’re missing all that stuff cos we’re on
tour. It really sucks
Nick: Well, it’s this tonight, Thursday it’s Fu
Manchu and Saturday it’s Orange Goblin at the Garage
Kevin: We’ve got a day off on Friday, and Goblin
are playing Nottingham on Friday so we’re hoping to go along to that maybe,
cos I don’t wanna miss it. Roadsaw- I fucking want to see Roadsaw, they’re
brilliant. I got Nationwide a while ago- it got sent to my magazine, it
was the fucking shit. I’ve not heard Rawk N Roll yet, but Nationwide is
Nick: It’s good
Kevin: Really good stuff. The new one's out on
Lunasound recordings… records I think… they’re from Sweden, they’re a
brilliant fucking label. Everything they’ve done…Gorilla, do you know
Gorilla? Have you heard of them?
Nick: Yes, I’ve heard Gorilla…yeah
Kevin: They’re on Lunasound aswell, they’re
fucking awesome stuff. We’re playing with them on…I think maybe tomorrow
night actually- Tunbridge Wells
Nick: Ah, Tunbridge Wells, cool, I’ve got a mate
who’s going to see that. It’s a shitty venue, it’s like a converted public
Kevin: I heard someone say that yeah,
Nick: They’ve knocked all the insides out
Kevin: Literally playing in a toilet!
Nick: It’s cool, I’ve been there before, I went
to see one of my mates bands play there, it was cool. It’s apparently quite a
rough venue, lots of fights and things
Kevin: Oh well, I’m kind of genteel; I don’t do
that kind of stuff. We’ll try and stay on the stage then
Nick: I’d better get on with the real questions
Kevin: That’s cool
Nick: What do you think of Andrew WK?
Kevin: (laughs) umm…
Nick: I think he’s fucking excellent
Kevin: Well, in a way it’s kind of difficult to
answer, cos, up until a few weeks ago I hadn’t heard any of the stuff. I think
I’ve now heard one song once, and I’ve got a bad memory so… I don’t
really remember it. I don’t thing the song was all that bad to be honest. Um,
but obviously as commercial as fuck
Nick: It’s hard to say cos he’s… if you
listen to it without liking him, but if you were neutral on it you’d think it
was really commercial and pop. But its not so bad. I quite like it, but I’m
the only person I know that likes it.
Kevin: I heard an
amusing story, I don’t know if it’s
true or not, but despite the millions and millions of pounds that’d been spent
on promoting him, that in the first week…
Nick: ..yeah he only sold 4,666 copies
Kevin: 1,500 it was I heard, fucking, its ridiculous-
spending that amount of money on the guy.
Nick: I think he deserves to do quite well, he’s
quite good, he really likes it
Kevin: I don’t know anything about the guy, I’ve
not read any interviews or anything. The posters are fucking ridiculous- that blood
Nick: Blood and all that shit
Kevin: I don’t follow that, that’s just rubbish.
Nick: I was supposed to go and see him playing with
Lostprophets, but I didn’t go in the end. What do you think of Lostprophets?
Kevin: I haven’t seen them, again, the same night I
heard the Andrew WK song was the first night I ever heard them aswell. I don’t
really remember anything about them. I’ve heard lots about them but…
Nick: They’re quite good, I saw them with Hundred
Reasons who live like, down the road from me, I went to see them in Kingston.
They’re alright, but I think they’ve sold out a bit.
Kevin: The song I heard, that’s what I kinda
thought. Like when I read about them, I read like an interview with them and
stuff and they sounded like really cool guys, y’know, and it sounded like I’d
quite like them, but when I heard it. I don’t remember what it sounded like,
but I remember kinda thinking that it was more commercial than I expected it to
Nick: They re-released the album, they like
re-recorded it, and made it sound like…
Kevin: They re-did it totally?
Nick: They re-did the whole thing with like a
really big budget, and it sounds really shit. I’ve got the original version…it…it’s
shit cos it sounds really good
Kevin: Yeah, really glossy and all that
Nick: Like the singing’s not the same, it’s
like he’s been told to sing like Brandon Boyd- from Incubus.
Kevin: I know what you’re saying man, I know what
you’re saying. It’d be interesting to hear the difference actually- between
the two. See what actually what a major label does to you. They’re on a major
Nick: Yeah, they’re on Colombia I think. Yeah,
Hundred Reasons are on Colombia, but still kept the same sort of thing they were
doing. They’re a fucking good band. Their singer used to work in a computer
shop in the town centre, and uh, you used to go in there and see him and you’d
talk to him and he’d say, yeah, I’m off to…I got to leave early tonight
because I’m going off to Manchester or Sheffield or somewhere to do a gig. And
the guitarist used to work in one of the pubs in…where I live. And you’d see
him pulling pints, then later that night you’d see him playing his guitar on
stage in the pub. They’re really good. What do you think, in general, of the
state of like rock n roll at the moment?
Kevin: Ahh, well, there’s a fucking, there’s a
lot of good bands out there. There’s a lot of shite out there as well. There’s…there’s…it’s
a hard one to answer man. I mean there’s a lot of bands that I do like in the
recent…y’know the newer stuff like Roadsaw… is fucking awesome, they’re
great. Ummm, Atomic Bitchwax, now split up unfortunately.
Nick: Yeah. Have they split…I heard that they,
that Ed had just left, that they sort of carried on, they’re releasing a new
Kevin: Well maybe, I dunno. I’ve heard they split
up. You could be right- I hope you are right.
Nick: Cos that’s what I read on stonnerrock.com
Kevin: Yeah, okay, I’ve been out of the country for
the last week and a half, so I’ve not really heard much about it so…
Nick: I don’t really know- it’s difficult to
Kevin: Yeah, yeah. They should give it a go. I don’t
know what they’ll sound like without Ed- certainly be interesting to hear-
they’re a great fucking band
Nick: Really good. What do you think of um stuff
like Korn and Limp Bizkit- all the sort of baggy trousers music
Kevin: Not into that kinda stuff at all
Nick: Some of it’s pretty cool, some like Incubus
and stuff like that, cos its got, its sort of jazzy
Kevin: Incubus are quite interesting. They’re
obviously these days extremely commercial, but at the same time they do, I do
like them, they’ve got a good style to them
Nick: They’re doing it right I think, cos they’ve
got to that stage where they’re sort of playing in arenas, and they’ve
started playing arena type rock
Kevin: Yeah, yeah, they’ve always kind of adjusted
to the kind of commercial lifestyle, y’know, they’re doing that kind of
stuff, but I like them, they’ve got some good ideas and all that, and they
sound good. I don’t really know their stuff that well, but I’ve heard one of
Nick: They’re one of the only bands around that
sound actually sort of half decent with a DJ. I mean DJ Lethal, his stuff with
House of Pain and some of his solo stuff was pretty cool, but with Limp Bizkit…
it’s just… shit
Kevin: I’m not into Limp Bizkit, I mean, as a bunch
of guys, well, Fred Durst anyway, he’s a tosser but, ah, musically, I’m not
saying they don’t have any good songs but
Nick: It’s more stuff you listen to in a club or
go and see live at a festival
Kevin: It’s not so bad when that happens, but I
wouldn’t ever pay money for any of that stuff, y’know. I wouldn’t go and
see them, I wouldn’t buy an album, but s’aright, but it’s just the whole
fact that all that money’s behind them, and that’s all they- its just
Nick: It’s a bit annoying when you see bands like
that getting big and you sort of recommend stuff like Electric Wizard and Sunn
Kevin: Ahh, Sunn, fucking, we saw them in Glasgow at
the… can’t remember who they was playing with… maybe Goatsnake and someone
Nick: Goatsnake and was it Orange Goblin
Kevin: Did they tour together- if they did it was
probably that- about a year ago
Nick: It was just after Big Black came out
Kevin: That would’ve been it yeah
Nick: I really wanted to go to the one in London
but I couldn’t get there. Apparently they were fucking, awesome
Kevin: It was good. The Sunn thing, was fucking, y’know,
it was great. It was like half an hour, twenty minutes like of basically loud
Nick: I used to be in a band like that it was just
the two guitarists, just making loads of weird noises
Kevin: We like to do a bit of that during practices
and all that but we don’t tend to bring it too much to the stage, but
certainly when we’re practicing, we like, well I personally like well all this
fucking making noise. I’ve got all these like pedals- I only had some of them
Nick: Just like jamming…
Kevin: Just making y’know making like feeling row
Nick: A bit like Tool really
Kevin: Yeah, it’s great to do that
Nick: It’s almost like prog rock
Kevin: It’s like getting a paintbrush like and…
splat! That’s exactly what it’s like, it’s all, it’s just totally new,
you’re just doing it. It hardly ever gets recorded. I wish I did actually
sometimes, I’d like to put some of the stuff up on the website or something.
Some of it sounds really fucking good. But the problem with it cos you’re just
doing it off the cuff, you don’t know when it’s gonna be good
Nick: You can’t really repeat it, and either that
or you get a really wicked idea when you’re doing it and then you go home, or
you go down the pub afterwards, and you just completely forget how it went, you
sort of sit there and go… ugh!
Kevin: Even if you did remember it wouldn’t be the
same the second time. The whole goodness of it, the fun of it, that it’s just
Nick: It’s just there
Kevin: It’s just out of the blue
Nick: It’s like a one-off
Kevin: None of the guys knows what’s happening,
just suddenly everyone plays something and it sounds great.
Nick: It’s like Electric Wizard never, they don’t
really practice that much, they sort of jam, then when they’re on stage they
jam, depending on how they feel and how the crowd is. And if the crowd is really
shit, they’ll jam tons
Kevin: That’s the beauty of it aswell, if it’s a
big crowd and all that, and it’s an important show, then you don’t want to
jam too much cos… it can go wrong
Nick: And people get bored and slide off to the bar
Kevin: And people do tend to get bored, because, by
the nature of jamming, it tends to go on… one song can be twenty minutes or
something. People don’t wanna hear that live.
Nick: It depends cos, I see bands when they jam and
like, it’s impossible to get bored of it
Kevin: For the band playing it… it’s great to do…
Lee Dorrian… he’s just met Lee Dorrian… is he in there? Have you seen him?
Kevin: He’s just arrived
Nick: So what do you think of the death metal boom
that’s been going on at the moment, I see you like Napalm Death
Kevin: I was… back in the early 90s me and Graeme just left- we were totally into all that death metal stuff back then, y’know-
Obituary, Carcass, Deicide, all that kinda shit we were fucking hardcore freaks
for that, um, there was a week in 94, sometime in December, all the death metal
gigs, in fact all the death metal gigs always happened in December or November.
It was snowing and pissing it down with rain. The worst nights. They’d make
you stand around for hours until the doors opened and stuff cos we always turned
up early to make sure we’d get a good space and all that, and one week where
there was like, I think it was over a two-week period, there was like 6 shows or
something like that, there was like Carcass… I can’t actually remember who
the other bands… Cannibal Corpse fucking great bands, it was just the best
fucking time. So yeah, we like all the old stuff. As far as new stuff goes, Arch
Enemy… they’re fucking great… I mean Mike Ammott, from Carcass,
Nick: And uh… Spiritual Beggars
Kevin: Spiritual Beggars, they’re fucking awesome
aswell. That guy is just…
Nick: He’s like Bill Steer isn’t he? On guitar…
he’s… have you heard Bill Steer’s other band… Firebird
Kevin: Firebird, yeah, I got their first CD a few
Nick: I got that aswell
Kevin: It’s great. I don’t have Deluxe, but
Firebird I’ve got yeah, um.
Nick: But Deluxe, the guy who did the illustrations
for the Joy of Sex books, he did the illustrations for the cover
Kevin: Excellent, that’s cool, yeah, but Mike, he’s
a fucking…he’s brilliant
Nick: He’s a genius
interviewed the guy and spoke to him for quite
a while, and he’s a lovely guy, and fucking talented as hell. Mike,
lets have a quote on him
Graeme: Mike Ammott, uh Carcass
Kevin: That’s not a quote man!
Graeme: Heartwork… fucking greatest death metal
album of all time
Kevin: It is, the best isn’t it? I was just telling
him about our two weeks. Who were the bands who played in those two weeks
Graeme: Christ Almighty, um, Carcass
Kevin: Cannibal Corpse
Graeme: Slayer, The Almighty, someone else… I
fucking can’t remember.
Kevin: Cubanate were supporting Carcass… they were
Graeme: They weren’t shite, they were interesting
Nick: They’re shit
Graeme: …the abuse from the stage man
Nick: Saw Cubanate supporting Pitchshifter… eons
ago, and they were… bollocks
Kevin: I’ve heard a lot of people say they’re
good but I don’t really see it at all
Nick: They’re probably better on record
Graeme: I don’t think so… live they’ve got this
kind of belligerent thing going on … they like to piss on a crucifix
Nick: I thought they sucked. Have you had the chance
to hear Nile?
Kevin: Nile? I’ve got one of their songs… I don’t
really… I remember it interesting me… I don’t think… I don’t know
whether I’d say I liked it, I wouldn’t pay money for it… but it was
interesting, it had some interesting stuff on it
Nick: Their earlier stuff’s really wicked cos it’s
got some fast bits, and it’s got some groovy bits aswell
Kevin: It was certainly different to most of the
stuff that’s out there, so it was good to hear, but I wouldn’t buy it I don’t
Nick: And The Haunted aswell.
Kevin: The Haunted… I saw them in Dublin, I went to
Dublin last summer and Entombed and The Haunted were doing a show over there and
fucking… I’m there for three days or something and Entombed and The Haunted
were playing- it was great! So I went to see that
Graeme: I’ve seen them too
Kevin: Yeah we saw them in Glasgow or somewhere.
At the Gates they were… awful that show
Graeme: It was an awful show, but At the Gates are a
great band… but the sound… it was the worst sound I’d ever heard
Nick: Slaughter of the Soul was an excellent album.
It’s got the guitar players and the old drummer from The Haunted
Graeme: Oh right is that how that works, I wasn’t
Nick: It’s got the bloke from Lockup singing
Nick: They’re a cool band, have you had a chance
to hear them?
Kevin: I don’t think… they’ve played Glasgow
but we didn’t see them, no
Nick: They’re pretty cool. It’s got Nick Barker
from Cradle of Filth on drums- fast as, brilliant
Graeme: Shane Embury
Nick: Yeah, Shane’s in it, and um, I think it’s
someone from Napalm Death aswell
Kevin: Yeah, Shane’s Napalm
Nick: No, someone else from Napalm Death, the
guitar player- Mick Harris, no, no that’s it Jesse Pintado
Kevin: That old mate of ours!
Nick: What do you think of stuff like Mogwai?
Kevin: I would fucking love to hear them, I’ve
never heard them
Graeme: The first time I heard Mogwai was years ago
cos I know a guy who used to go to school with one of the guys from Mogwai, cos
they’re from Glasgow, so uh, he played me them and I thought… they were
really quiet then it went into this sort of ferocious kind of verse section. I
think it was the Young Team, I thought it was fucking… it was really dreamy
and you were falling asleep then like all of a sudden UUURRRGGGHHH!
Nick: They’re a bit like Sleep I think
Nick: They’re apparently really, really good
live, one of my mates went to see them at Brixton. Apparently they played that
really really long song… My Father, My King.
Graeme: Yeah, that’s like a prayer or something
Nick: Jewish prayer or hymn or something
Graeme: It’s like 24 minutes long or something
Nick: Then at the end it was like deafening and
then they switched everything off at the same time, so it was like really loud
then really quiet
Graeme: That’s fucking really hard
Nick: There’s loads of bands where I live ripping
that off now, which is a bit of a shame
Graeme: They’re a good band though… from Glasgow
so… we’re all good up there!
Nick: I didn’t think their last album was much
cop- Rock Action
Graeme: Rock Action? I’ve not heard that one
Nick: There were a couple of good songs on it but
it’s not like their other stuff, sort of really loud. It was mainly acoustic
guitar- it was a bit like Anathema I thought
Graeme: Right, yeah, I like Anathema, so maybe I
should check it out…
Kevin: I like Anathema… peaceful… serene… what’s that
Nick: That’s The
Kevin: Yeah, quiet, peaceful, serene
Nick: Cyril Sneer, and what’s Cyril Sneer’s son
Kevin: Cedric Sneer. Fucking ruled that cartoon! I
used to get up every Saturday… Saturday/Sunday morning, something like that
like half seven in the morning or something
Graeme: You really didn’t have a life did you?
Nick: I remember it was on Going Live, back in the
Kevin: Going Live… Gordon the gopher and all that!
Nick: Sarah Greene and what’s his name… Phil
Kevin: Phil, the grey-haired guy
Nick: Philip Schofield, he was in Jason… no
Joseph! It was Jason Donovan, was in Joseph, that’s why I got confused
Graeme: Jason Donovan, from Mogwai
Nick: Jason Donovan was a major coke addict or
Graeme: Yeah, he got fucked up man
Nick: Like Corey Feldman
Graeme: He got fucked up majorly. That’s why he’s
not too successful no more
Nick: Who’s that… Corey Feldman or…
Graeme: Well both of them really!
Nick: Corey Feldman started a music career- he’s
releasing albums and stuff
Graeme: Ooooh! Must check one of those out!
Nick: Actually looks pretty cool, it’s got a
really psychedelic cover
Graeme: Well, if he’s a coke addict…
Nick: I’ve got the phone number you can use to
book him on!
Graeme: Come on then, get a show
Nick: I’ll book him, I’ll tell you what, I’m
doing a mini festival thing where I live, I could get him… I wonder what he’d
play?! I wonder what instrument he plays?
Graeme: Probably sings
Nick: I bet he croons
Graeme: I don’t know man, he might be all
psychedelic and fucked up man- years of abuse- y’know, he maybe just gives you
lines from his films and shit like that
Nick: It’d be like that episode of Friends with
Ross playing his keyboard. He’s got like all the noises and helicopters and
shit like that
Graeme: “I’m gonna concentrate on my music!”.
It’s been a good night so far.
Kevin: Tree are in there, have you heard them, I don’t
know what they’re like
Nick: They’ve got kind of heavy bits
Graeme: Then quieter bits, then back to heavy again,
kinda like hardcore mixed with something else, I’m not quite sure, pretty
fucking tight anyway
Nick: I thought you were really fucking excellent
Nick: I’ve been to a few gigs in the last couple
of months and most of the bands have been pretty shit, like all the support
bands, pretty difficult to find something that you like. I saw Hundred Reasons
in December, and they had Copperpot Journals with them and I thought they were a
bit shit. They were a bit too like emo.
Graeme: Ah, okay, too emo man
Nick: Emo’s cool though
Graeme: Ah, well, I suppose as long as there’s
emotion in music there should be something
Nick: The thing is though when you call a band like
an emo band or a stoner band or like death metal. Like black metal bands, people
think it’s just all screaming and noise, but some of the stuff, a lot of
Kevin: Some of those bands really are shit, but
Opeth, they’re a fucking great band
Nick: I think Opeth are a bit like Tool
Kevin: I don’t know, I’ve heard some of their
stuff but I don’t know them all that well
Nick: I only recently got into Tool actually
Kevin: Well, it’s cos I’ve been sent an Opeth
album, I haven’t been sent a Tool one
Nick: Tool are a band that have kind of passed me
by, sort of
Kevin: Yeah, I think that’s what they’ve done to
me, I’ve always wanted to hear them
Nick: It’s cos they don’t tour like, all the
time, and release stuff every year and a half or whatever.
Kevin: Everyone keeps talking to me about them, and I
want to hear their stuff
Graeme: The singer from Sea of Green, that’s his
favourite band at the moment, so… he’s a big fan of Tool.
Nick: Tool are cool, I only just got into them, I
heard them and they weren’t what I was expecting really, they were sort of
funny time signatures and…
Graeme: Kind of prog almost
Nick: They can have really long songs, but you don’t
really notice it, cos- it’s a bit like Stairway to Heaven, it was really long
but you didn’t notice cos it was really cool
Graeme: Like in sections… movements, just like
classical. It’s the best way to write a long song. Sometimes you get away with
just one riff forever- like Jerusalem
Nick: It depends. If you’ve got one riff and do
it right it sounds cool, but if you try and do it over and over again it starts
to sound shit
Graeme: Jerusalem… it’s kind of like one of those
albums you can’t really listen…
Nick: Or like Bohemian Rhapsody- it’s a fucking
long song. That as a song was either going to be really cool and successfully or
it was going to be really shit and no-one wanted to hear it
Graeme: Operatic metal
Nick: But there was a load of bands afterwards that
tried to copy it and they fell on their arses. I think the Chinese Democracy by
Guns n Roses is going to be a bit like that
Graeme: Yeah, well I don’t fancy that whole idea
Nick: It’s been hyped up a bit too much I think
but, it’s going to be really, really, really good or it’s going to just suck
Graeme: I think it’s gonna suck.
So many people worked on it and all that, I
don’t know if it’s going to be cohesive. Sometimes it better to just get a
band playing rather than getting 50,000 people to do one guitar line for you.
Nick: Apparently Wes Borland was going to do most
of the guitar stuff
Graeme: Is he in it?
Nick: I dunno, it’s just rumours, but I heard
that off Zane Lowe, so I don’t know how accurate that’s going to be
Graeme: I thought he was going to get Slash.
Nick: That was like 1995 it was going to be Slash
then it was Zakk Wylde, Buckethead, there was all sorts. Apparently Eddie Van
Halen was involved for about 2 minutes!
Kevin: Everyone’s been involved… we’ve been
Graeme: Yeah, we’ve done a few tracks…! But I don’t
think Axl’s gonna use them!
Nick: He fired you all, told you all to fuck off,
erased all your tracks
Kevin: We’re big friends of Axl!
Nick: I think that the album that Slash is doing
with Izzy Stradlin and Duff McKagan is just going to be wicked… it’ll come
out sooner as well!
Graeme: Will Chinese Democracy ever come out?
Nick: I dunno, I’ve been hoping, I’m saying
that’s going to be the best album out this year, but I’ve been saying that
for the last 3 years. He apparently keeps finishing it and then gets new ideas.
I don’t know why he doesn’t just put it onto 2 albums or whatever
Graeme: 8 albums he’ll have!
Nick: It’s going to be like an 8 disk album or
Graeme: It’ll be a box set. I think he keeps trying
to update it, but everytime he updates it, the song moves on
Nick: The thing is when he tries to update it, he
listens to the radio or whatever and hears people like Limp Bizkit, Puddle of
Mudd, stuff like that and he goes aha! And then when Korn and Limp Bizkit move
on he changes it all
Kevin: The first one was all industrial
Nick: That was on End of Days… the soundtrack.
Graeme: And then,
it’s not like that now, moved
onto nu-metal. He’s going to have to take a stance
Nick: I think he’s going to have to get his arse
in gear, just record some songs and release it
Kevin: I mean it’s a Guns n Roses album, they
should be big enough to carry it themselves, and release the best album that
Guns n Roses can do as opposed to…
Graeme: Well, he needs to get his eyes back in
Nick: He’s told everyone else to fuck off which
is a bit of a shame really because, I mean that was what was good about Guns n
Roses cos it was… all the best bands had the wicked guitarist, the wicked
singer, the wicked drummer and the bassist with crap hair, a bit like Van Halen
and Led Zeppelin and bands like that
Graeme: They were like the Led Zeppelin for the late
80s early 90s. They had like Slash who was Jimmy Page.
Nick: Everyone said they were hair metal but they
were a lot better than like Poison. I really like Poison though
Graeme: Well, as soon as our drummer come along…
fucking 80s metal guy
Nick: He sounds really cool
Graeme: Sea of Green, we’ve come across a lot of
80s metal with them… Quiet Riot
Kevin: It was good to hear it but I’d never
fucking pay for it!
Nick: You go to rock clubs and you go and request
it, and it just really, really pisses people off. I dunno why! You get the DJ to
play like Andrew WK….
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Kevin: …He’s well worn…
Nick: Is that Lee Dorrian?
Kevin & Graeme: Yeah
Nick: Where is he?
Kevin: I dunno, the backstage area.
Nick: I’m never ever going to meet that guy.
Every time he’s at a gig I always miss him, I’ll walk straight pass him or…
Kevin: Speak to Eric… big bassist
Nick: Have you had a chance to hear Clutch’s last
Graeme: I’ve not heard Clutch’s last one, no.
they toured not so long ago
Nick: Yeah, it was with uh, Raging Speedhorn
Graeme: Yeah, we went to uh…
Nick: They were cool
Graeme: You need to get on the guest-lists or
Nick: Yeah, start an Internet site and uh… yeah!
Kevin: I’ve been at quite a few shows.
Graeme: The guy from Sloth’s here aswell
Nick: Ah, fantastic, Sloth are another band that…
Kevin: We played with Sloth years ago…was it
Graeme: I’m not sure, long black hair…
Nick: I’m trying to put on like a festival thing,
with Marshan and Sloth as like the 2 proper bands, and then have a load of
local, unsigned bands
Kevin: We could be up for doing that
Nick: Cos then you could get people to come cos
they’re all mates with people in the local bands. There’s a band where I
live, they’re pretty good actually, but everyone knows them, all their gigs
are sold out. I put on a gig of theirs a couple of weeks ago and it was
absolutely packed, we had to turn people away. It was wicked, they were
absolutely mental, throwing shit off the stage and all sorts of stuff. They were
really good. It’s not really stoner type stuff, it’s more like… they’re
a bit like Black Flag, but they don’t like me saying that. They'll probably
think it’s shitty 80s hair metal.
Kevin: Black Flag, 80s hair metal?
Nick: Yeah, I don’t get it, it’s cos they were
around in the 80s I suppose. And they equate any 80s band with being hair metal,
like Metallica, as being hair metal
Kevin: You can’t call Black Flag 80s hair metal
Graeme: I’ve never heard that before. Yeah, you
should try and meet Lee Dorrian and that, he’s really chilled out.
Nick: Is he back
Graeme: Yeah, it’s really big, luxurious!
Graeme: I was fucking, changing my strings and Lee
Dorrian comes in it’s like, shit! Alright! How you doing?! He’s out by the
Kevin: Ah, right, he’s out by the bar
Nick: Have you had a chance to see Cathedral?
Kevin: I’ve seen Cathedral four times now
Nick: Every time they play I’m either busy or I’ve
got another gig, or I’m skint.
Kevin: Lee Dorrian’s a great frontman
Nick: He does all like the oh yeah!
Everyone: Huggy Bear!
Nick: I didn’t think their last album was as good
as some of their other stuff
Kevin: More dreamy the last one… wasn’t as
Nick: Cos all the rest of its something like you’d
put on at a party or whatever, like Caravan Beyond Redemption, stuff like
Kevin: That’d the fucking best song ever
Nick: Have you had a chance to see the film?
Kevin: It was on about a week ago on Carlton
Cinema, and I watched like, a few minutes of it, and it was people like…on
Nick: Most of the film is like people galloping
across the countryside
Kevin: That’s what it was, and I thought right,
this is gonna end soon, and I’ll watch it, and I’ll see what the film is,
this dull bit is gonna end, and it just kept going, eventually I turned it off
and went back to it later and it was still people galloping through the woods on
Nick: I bought it on DVD and apparently there were
2 versions released, there was the British version and the export version, and
the only difference is that one of them’s got more sex scenes in it. It’s a
cool film, it’s really…violent
Kevin: I never got to see those bits, I just saw
the horse riding
Nick: Hopkins sort of propositioning women by
saying “Perhaps you’re a witch”
Kevin: (laughs) Excellent man, excellent, I can see
why the song…
Nick: And Mark of the Devil, that’s another cool
Kevin: I know
Nick: Dunwich horror
Kevin: Cool guy, great frontman Lee Dorrian
Nick: Yeah, So what really cool bands have you
Kevin: Sloth, Karma to Burn, Sally, Alabama Thunder
Pussy, Orange Goblin,
Graeme: On their first tour, on their first UK tour
Kevin: Just as the first album was released we
played with them
Nick: That’s like ages ago, that’s like 1996
Kevin: 98, 97?
Graeme: I can’t remember
Nick: 97 I think cos I remember reading about them
in Kerrang, in like the upcoming bit where you normally don’t hear from the
bands ever again
Kevin: It was good to play with them. Who else… a
few other bands. Some other non-stoner bands, Medulla Nocte, we’ve played with
Nick: They’re cool, they played pretty close to
my house, it was fucking, brilliant. I saw them supporting Soulfly. I thought
they were brilliant, really, really loud.
Kevin: Warning, Solstice… a lot of other bands
Nick: What’s the coolest band you’ve played
Graeme: Sea of Green I should say, cos that’s the
diplomatic way, uh, well I kinda liked that first Goblin thing, cos it was quite
underground then. Stoner wasn’t like what it is now, cos we really enjoyed the
album, and then to play with them.
Kevin: At the time they weren’t famous or
anything so… It was like playing with us, it was underground, no-one knew who
Graeme: It was such a good gig aswell, it was such
a cool gig
Kevin: It was a tiny place, there was no stage or
anything, you’d just stick your amps on the floor and play
Nick: The first gig I ever played was just on the
floor. That was bad. We planned to set up a load of tables at the hall we were
playing at but they were really unstable so we had to play on the floor, so
Kevin: The whole idea of playing on tables sounds
Nick: Big proper tables though, they just weren’t
screwed on properly, so when you tried to stand on them they moved, so we
thought, fucking hell that’s not a very good idea, so we phoned up the vicar,
who was in charge of the church hall and asked if we could borrow the stage
blocks out of the church, but we couldn’t get over to the other church in the
Parish and borrow the stage blocks from there, so we had to play on the floor.
It was cool. Everyone was stood really close
Graeme: That’s like blasphemy, playing rock n roll
in a church
Nick: Oh quite possibly! I’ve done loads of gigs.
There’s like a church with really good acoustics and a wicked PA
Kevin: A church with a wicked PA!
Nick: I’m quite chummy with the vicar aswell. If
he heard some of the stuff that was said in there I doubt he’d like it very
much, but they were cool with it. They don’t really mind. The only bugbear
they have about is that there’s an old people’s home right behind it, so you’ve
got to turn it down after 10 o’clock, which was fortunate cos we were on like
at 8 o’ clock or whatever and we only played for about half an hour. That was
the first time I smashed up a guitar. It was an accident, I sort of threw it on
the floor and the neck burst off, so I smashed it up.
Graeme: The first time you smashed up a guitar? Is
that a routine thing for you?!
Nick: Not exactly a routine. I think I’ve smashed
up about 3. It’s just a laugh, it sort of happens by accident, and you think,
when am I going to have the chance to do this again? So you smash the fucking
thing on the floor.
Graeme: What type of guitars do you play?
Nick: Cheap ones! I’ve got like my proper guitar,
I’ve got an SG, and then I get a cheap one that I buy in a charity shop for 20
quid or whatever, and throw that around.
Graeme: Pete Townsend
Nick: Yeah, Pete Townsend or like Hendrix
Graeme: Hendrix- set it on fire. Our guitarist’s
just going away now
Scott: I’m just going home
Graeme: We’re playing as a 3-piece for the next
couple of shows
Scott: I get a train and go to work for the next 4
days. I’m basically going to leave just now and get a flight back to Glasgow
tonight, and come back. I’m missing 4 dates
Kevin: I’d forgotten all about it. So you get to
see Fu Manchu and Orange Goblin.
Scott: And I get to fly back to Glasgow, and I get
to fly to these gigs
Nick: It’s a bitch isn’t it?
Scott: Working’s a fucker
Kevin: It’s gonna be kind of interesting,
stripping down to a 3-piece for 4 shows, I hope it goes okay. We’ll do it man,
done it before once so…
Scott: Just unfortunate circumstances
Nick: But you get to see Fu Manchu and Orange
Goblin… and Roadsaw
Scott: I might get to see Goblin twice, cos I think
they’re playing Glasgow on Thursday, then Nottingham on the Friday
Kevin: Two days in a row then?
Nick: So are you not playing on Friday then?
Graeme: No, we’ve got a day off then so we see can
them. We’re playing at Stoke the night before so we can go across to
Nottingham to see them
Nick: Is that Stoke-on-Trent yeah?
Nick: What’s the band that came from there…
Kevin: Yeah, they’re cool, I’ve got their first
Nick: I nearly supported them, the gig they did
near me, but the band split up before we had the chance to. I got the
confirmation, but the drummer had left so we were sort of minus drummer
grindcore type stuff
Graeme: I can see how that wouldn’t work! No blast
Nick: It was a bit weird, it sounded pretty cool.
We were planning to do a cover of ‘You Suffer’, but it didn’t happen- some
shit local band did it, they were crap
Kevin: That sucks doesn’t it, when some other
band gets it and you think- you’re shit.
Nick: Round where I live it’s
mostly ska bands and punk bands- bollocks, I fucking hate ska. There’s about 2
ska bands I actually like and the rest just sound the same.
Kevin: You could say the same about everything you
Nick: When it becomes a scene you could cos think,
yeah, that’s really cool, I like that
Graeme: That’s what stoner’s kind of getting
like at the moment. There are a lot of bands who are trying too hard.
Nick: But then there are some bands that sound
exactly stoner and they sound really cool and they’ve actually done something
Graeme: I think to play stoner you’ve got to be
semi-talented like musician. You can’t just come and parrot chords. There’s
a lot that are quite good bands, but it’s just whether they want to take it
further than playing Kyuss songs
Nick: I mean, it’s whether or not you can write a
good song by yourself really. I think that the only reason why bands like Linkin
Park are big is because they’re doing that cheesy Bon Jovi metal
Graeme: It’s like 80s
Nick: It’s like the 80s cos Linkin Park are a bit
like Bon Jovi, and Papa Roach who remind me of Poison
Graeme: I wonder whether they’d like that
Nick: I reckon Rage Against the Machine are the new
Van Halen, cos they’ve got the good frontman, the good guitarist, the good
drummer and the bassist with bad hair
Graeme: The guitarist who kind of changes the way
the guitar can be played the way Van Halen did
Nick: He reminds me a bit of Jimi Hendrix
Graeme: He does a lot of weird stuff
Nick: Weird stuff that you didn’t think of before
really. But when anyone else tries to do it it just sounds shit. Cos they’re
trying to perfect it, but they haven’t got enough record company money behind
it to make it sound good with all the right effects
Graeme: Do you think Sea of Green are coming on
soon, you don’t want to miss them. We’ll cut it short now and continue it
later, we could even get Sea of Green if you want
Nick: Well I’m going to have to leave pretty
sharpish afterwards actually cos I’ve got to catch a train. So just to close
Graeme: Sure… I just don’t want you to miss Sea
of Green man
Nick: I want to get another drink aswell
Kevin: So do I!
Nick: What gig would Marshan really love to play?
In the next year- Ozzfest?
Kevin: Ozzfest, actually, we’d like to do the
SHOD. We’re trying to get on the SHOD in America, so I suppose… it’s not
the greatest gig but
Nick: It’s cool because people there will
actually like it
Kevin: Yeah, exactly. We think we’re probably
going over to that, so of all the possible gigs we could do, that one, but
impossible, yeah Ozzfest would be fucking good man.
Graeme: Yeah, John Bonham rises from the dead, Led
Nick: That Led Zeppelin thing you did was really
Kevin: Yeah, we do that sometimes man
Graeme: Jam around sometimes, do a bit of Sabbath
Nick: I’ve done that before, done, How Many More
Times, just gone into it.
Graeme. It’s a good one man, quite an easy riff
Nick: It’s quite easy to play, it’s catchy, and
it rocks. It’s a guitar shop riff. Like Smoke on the Water
Graeme: It’s a basic riff, but at the end of the
day, those are ones that sound the best
Nick: It sounds huge
Graeme: It’s an old blues riff-that’s where it
all comes from anyway
Kevin: Sat the SHOD, yeah
Nick: Apparently Earth are playing there this year
Graeme: That would be interesting. We’re trying
to get on it this year but it just depends whether we can afford to get to it so
watch this space man
Nick: Anyway, cheers
Graeme: Thanks a lot Nick, for coming along- good
to speak to you
Nick: Cheers for letting me in for next to nothing
Graeme: No worries